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iSpine Discuss Epidural Steroid Injections effective? in the Main forums forums; From www.orthosupersite.com wow... $50 million / year from Medicare? __________________________________________________ ___ Epidural steroid injections limited in treating back pain, ... |
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Epidural Steroid Injections effective?
From www.orthosupersite.com
wow... $50 million / year from Medicare? __________________________________________________ ___ Epidural steroid injections limited in treating back pain, neurology society advises
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1997 MVA 2000 L4-5 Microdiscectomy/laminotomy 2001 L5-S1 Micro-d/lami 2002 L4-S1 Charite' ADR - SUCCESS! 2009 C3-C4, C5-C6-C7, T1-T2 ProDisc-C Nova Summer 2009, more bad thoracic discs! Life After Surgery Website President: Global Patient Network, Inc. Founder: www.iSpine.org |
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Boy, I would like to have a look at these studies - especially the stats...
My impression is that one needs to view this information with a critical eye and keep in mind who the "key players" are re: sponsors of the article. In my case, the epidurals helped a little bit - but not significant enough. Anyone else care to comment on their experiences? |
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I had a series of 3 epidurals for an extrusion of C5/C6. I did not notice any significant effect except I would like to believe that they contributed (along with other conservative measures) to some resorption of the extruded material. Nonetheless, I have gone on to have increased nerve damage from foraminal stenosis and am now told that surgery is no longer elective. The neurologist who did my last EMG which showed changes from previous studies, suggested another series of epidurals. I could not see the purpose; plus I am cynical enough at this point to see more steroid injections as a threat to my bone density and therefore to my surgical choices. However, I do know of cases, both cervical and lumbar, that were significantly helped by ESI's.
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IMHO, epidurals are much like many other treatments (traction therapies, enbrill injections, etc...) They have the potential to have a long term benefit in a small percentage of the population and they often have some short term benefit. However, what I see is that SOME, NOT ALL of the purveyors of the technology overuse it in a very gross fashion. I've spoken to too many people who've gotten ZERO relief from 2 ESI's and have still been given a third in the same location. I've spoken to too many people who've gone to VAX-D or DRX-9000 traction therapy and told that their case is so bad that they'll really need to complete all 20 treatments to realize any benefit... oh yes... it may make you worse at first... that'll be $4,000 out of pocket please.
I know a few people with good results, but for every one I know that has a good result, I know many, many more without. Having said that... I believe that intelligently applied, ESI's are an appropriate tool in the arsenal and some of my 8 ESI's were of great short-term benefit. When I was in the situation where my pain was episodic, ESI's saved vacations and allowed me to function better and recover from a flare-up more quickly. Once you get to the point where the DDD is advanced and there are real structural problems., it's just a symptom masker... but of benefit for some. I know a couple of people with good result from traction, but in my experience, these successes are few and far between. Also... when the choice is between fusion and conservative treatment, we'll do more conservative treatment before pulling the trigger on surgery. As our surgical options improve, hopefully it will become a more reasonable option to fix the problem and not let things get worse, earlier in the degenerative cascade. Just my 2 cents... all the best, Mark
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1997 MVA 2000 L4-5 Microdiscectomy/laminotomy 2001 L5-S1 Micro-d/lami 2002 L4-S1 Charite' ADR - SUCCESS! 2009 C3-C4, C5-C6-C7, T1-T2 ProDisc-C Nova Summer 2009, more bad thoracic discs! Life After Surgery Website President: Global Patient Network, Inc. Founder: www.iSpine.org |
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ESIs
Lumbar ESIs saved my ARSE for quite some time~ I've had around 21 all together or some such number!!! Was asking for one recently and Utilization Review denied due to no real documentation as to the benefit as well as denying my Methadone since it's not proven that Methadone is actually helpful for pain relief as it's primary/proven use is for withdrawl from Heroin. I'm paraphrasing but pretty much this was what was said in 6 pages of UR BS.
Again, Lumbar ESIs helped me greatly, esp. transforaminal approach (caudal worked as well but seemed less effective at certain levels). |
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I had 8 ESI's over 2.5 years. 7 were done by one old doc with no flouroscopy... never hurt... never made me worse... 5 of 7 produced relief for days or weeks. (remember that my pain was episodic, so I may have gotten better anyway.) The one caudal ESI I had with a young physiatrist (again, no flouroscopy), really set me off.
Upon going back to the old guy when I told him about ESI causing many days of severe pain, he said, "I bet he ran into bone and had to back up and try again." He was absolutely correct. Mark
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1997 MVA 2000 L4-5 Microdiscectomy/laminotomy 2001 L5-S1 Micro-d/lami 2002 L4-S1 Charite' ADR - SUCCESS! 2009 C3-C4, C5-C6-C7, T1-T2 ProDisc-C Nova Summer 2009, more bad thoracic discs! Life After Surgery Website President: Global Patient Network, Inc. Founder: www.iSpine.org |
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ESIs
All but the first was done under flursocopy and the the first was BRUTAL!
The rest were a walk in the park and done at outpatient surgery centers with the first few years w/local anesthetic only. In Florida the doc would NOT do them with local only. Since then, I just prefered not knowing when it was done (go ahead, knock me out)~ the effects usually were within a day to three (calming of pain) and last up to 1 month at least. Sometimes longer relief up to 3=4 months but maybe just broke the pain cycle~ Maybe that's what happened this time. All I know is that my back has been hurting since this foot surgery and I'd have been pleased to have an ESI to calm things down. Guess I'll just have to start walking and getting it together on my own. Hopefully~ |
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re crooked pedicle screw
Marijo,
Sorry to hear the ESI didn't give any relief, I need one now as they are helpful to me but Work Comp is denying since surgery was approved tho I canceled for now... Has anything been suggested/offered re the crooked pedicle screw?? That sounds like a bear~ |
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